Instead of defining scoped sheep-rifle weight as 7.5 pounds, a naked rifle weight of 6.5 pounds — which is about what one of O'Connor's rifles would have weighed bare — seemed appropriate. These cheap postwar variants offer perhaps the best value on the vintage-Mauser market. I have a Remington Custom Shop .280 Remington that weighs just six pounds and will group at ½ MOA. All I can claim is the concept of chambering such a rifle for a cartridge both moose-worthy and competition-appropriate and pressing it into service as a long-range cross-country match rifle. With the competition completed using the Berger load, I returned to searching for a super-accurate handload with the Hornady ELD-X line. Even at 10,100 feet elevation, which is as high as I've hunted with the rifle, it's not burdensome, yet I can lie down, rest the rifle over my daypack, and hit deer-vital-size targets to a half-mile with confidence (although I don't promote shooting game at such distances). Inside 300 or even 400 yards, they served adequately. With only seconds to shoot, I ranged the bull at 472 yards, dialed the turret, snugged up behind the Summit rifle, and put a bullet precisely through the quartering-away bull's boiler room. Neither The High Road nor any of its directors, members, managers, employees, agents, vendors, or suppliers will be liable for any direct, indirect, general, bodily injury, compensatory, special, punitive, consequential, or incidental damages including, without limitation, lost profits or revenues, costs of replacement goods, loss or damage to data arising out of the use or inability to use this forum or any services associated with this forum, or damages from the use of or reliance on the information present on this forum, even if you have been advised of the possibility of such damages. Mag. I ran inspiringly tiny control groups with the Berger load, then tried Barnes's 168-grain LRX, a fantastic hunting bullet that I've seen take a splendid assortment of African plains game. A similar result at 780 yards and she was sold on the rifle. We're taking a look at what the Army's Elite Units are using for service rifles and what the future of SOCOM sniping looks like. This means you have the option to read your magazine on most popular phones and tablets. velocities and nips at the heels of the 7mm Remington Magnum. Eventually, a set of parameters established themselves in my over-fertile imagination, and I defined the mythical rifle that might do everything as follows. 280 Remington for Moose. We look at the futuristic .450 Bushmaster and how it compares to the tried and true .45-70. The .280 Remington retains the gradual taper and gentle shoulder of the .30-06, and even with the best loads will lag a bit behind the 7mm Remington Magnum. Discussion Starter • #1 • Sep 2, 2006. I wish I had never sold that one. Eventually, Hornady's Joe Theilen — who competes in 1,000-yard benchrest disciplines with his .280 Ackley Improved — helped me see the light, touting outstanding barrel life coupled with above-par ballistics. I have a 25-06 that Im going to change out to a 280 Rem caliber. Personally not that it matters I'd get a bigger caliber as opposed to a bigger bullet. While I've had outstanding luck with actions by Nesika Bay, Stiller, and others, my personal favorites are made by Defiance. Did just fine. Recoil, with a SilencerCo Harvester suppressor attached, is mild. A month later my wife and I hauled the family south to fill her Utah mule deer tag. She required a follow up shot, but that was my fault (bullet placement) not bullet performance. ©2020 Outdoor Sportsman Group. With a salute to Degerness's foresight, I put in an order for a Summit chambered in .280 Ackley Improved. Jenna's opportunity came close, so close that she fired offhand and absolutely poleaxed the buck at 55 yards. in this video of a beautiful B.C. After the Great War, cupro-nickel, of 60 percent copper and 40 percent nickel, became the jacket of choice. I'm going black bear hunting in PA this year. The .280 Remington, also known as the 7mm-06 Remington and 7mm Express Remington, was introduced in 1957 for the Remington model 740, 760, 721, and 725 rifles. But Western Cartridge Company’s Lubaloy jacket, comprising 90 percent copper, 8 percent zinc and 2 percent t… No company builds such barrels better than Proof Research. One is a pointed Core-Lokt, one is a Nosler ballistic tip, and the third is a boat-tail spitzer bullet. The 7mms from 7x57mm Mauser, 7mm-08 Rem. That said, the .280 produces optimum performance with 150 to 162 grain bullets. Lacking a close-range target, Jenna dialed to 460 yards and centerpunched a small rock. Subscriber Services. At the time when I made the decision on the VX-6, the only limiting factor was the elevation turret, which only allowed one full rotation (20 MOA) when the zero stop was installed. It can be loaded with everything from 100-grain Sierra Hollow Points to 195-grain Berger Elite Hunters. Discussion in 'Hunting' started by salthouse, Jun 19, 2006. Remington .280 factory loads are currently offered with three different 140 grain spitzer bullets, all with a muzzle velocity of 3,000 fps and a muzzle energy of 2,797 ft. lb. Watched an episode on the hunting channel were a guy dropped and huge whitetail dead in his tracks with one shot from the.280rem. Another stubby powerhouse, the .300 Remington Short Action Ultra Mag, also came my way before I’d heard of it dropping an elk. Ackley's most popular Improved cartridge, holding the honor of being the only one ever legitimized by a major ammo company. It's a combination never possible before today's space-age lightweight barrels and superb optics. Loaded with fast expanding, sleek 140 to 150 grain bullets, the .280 is a fast killer of light framed medium game. Bigger isn’t always better when it comes to picking a cartridge for moose hunting. Accuracy capability must be consistently inside 0.5 MOA, which is much less common than the cyber-world would have one think, and accuracy must not degrade over a series of three consecutive three-shot groups without allowing the barrel to cool. Hot-barrel testing proved the load was consistent and the rifle tremendously accurate. Best of all, the barrels hold their accuracy over extended shot strings and typically have no discernible point of impact shift. No moose or bison tags have shown up in my mailbox, so the rifle's authority on North America's biggest hooved game remains theoretical. The.270 Winchester, the 7-08, the.280 Remington with a 150 grain controlled expansion bullet would do the trick on a moose, especially for a recoil sensitive hunter. Ackley Improved 40 degrees,” this cartridge was standardized by Nosler and accepted by SAAMI in 2008. Having been released 32 years after the .270 Winchester, it had somewhat unspectacular sales. It's a standard-length cartridge, so I had to accept more weight than I'd originally hoped. Perhaps a tad bit better gun because of the killing power and the small amount of recoil. weight, the sectional density is much better, giving better arodynamics in … Only one barrel type that I'm aware of is both sheep-rifle light and competition capable, and that's a properly constructed, carbon-fiber-wrapped barrel. Rifles in the .280chambering outsold the other two combined. At one point my six-year-old son laid down behind it for his first-ever shot with a centerfire rifle. Page 2 of 2 < Prev 1 2. However, I was driving the 168-grain VLD Hunting bullet at 2,835 fps, not the 3,200 fps that sometimes causes such bullets to behave like a fragmenting varmint bullet and fail to adequately penetrate vitals. However, Pratt cautioned that titanium tends to gall if too much grit or crud gets into the locking lugs. Had it not been for the "moose-capable" criterion, I would have. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register. and 280 Rem. Great accuracy results, from a number of combos. 15 Posts . Kyle kills a nice 6x6 Bull at 325 yards. Leupold's custom shop installed a dual-rotation turret with both zero stop and zero lock, solving the issue; installed a capable MOA reticle; and Cerakoted the scope Tungsten Gray to match the Summit rifle. Short to medium range (100-200 yard) moose cartridges. Nosler, Dakota Arms and most custom rifle makers are making rifles for the cartridge. The 280 Remington could be the Goldilocks of standard-length action hunting rounds. Used my newest 280 and the 140 AB on my last elk. When Remingtonintroduced its lightweight M700 Mountain rifle back in the early 1990s it wasinitially offered in .280, along with the .30/06 and .270. Serious scopes, like quality camera lenses, are weighty. Super-accurate? Nor did the 175- grain version of the ELD-X, even using same-lot bullets that reliably produce bug-cluster groups in my custom 7mm Weatherby Magnum rifle. Initially, I intended to shoot Hornady's 162-grain ELD Match bullet in competition and switch to the same-weight ELD-X version for hunting. Typically of fixed magnification, riflescopes of his day were simple 1-inch tubes with few moving parts and fewer lenses. At first I was inclined to use a custom titanium action and have Steve Pratt of Elk Meadow Performance build the rifle. 280 Ackley, 168 berger vld. 280 AI shoots 50 fps to 100 fps faster than the 280 Remington with the same bullets in the same standard-length actions. Bare rifle weight must be 6.5 pounds or less, so that once equipped with a capable long-range scope, sling, and full magazine it wouldn't tip the scales past 8.5 pounds, which is borderline too heavy for a kitted-out sheep rifle. More recently, with a Montana rifle bored for the largely unsung .280 Remington (circa 1957), I climbed under a bleak, black sky toward timberline. The lightweight .280 Ackley Improved Summit is light enough for sheep hunting, accurate enough for long-range competitions, and powerful enough for moose. As for the cartridge, it must have a high-BC bullet of moose adequate diameter and weight at respectable velocities, thus producing bona fide authority and minimal wind drift, all this without scorching the barrel inside of 2,500 rounds or kicking the stuffing out of me over long practice sessions. Team partner Paul Dallin and I scored high in pure shooting results and respectably overall. Used the 160 PT in my previous 280 on whitetail, mule deer, elk and moose. With hand loads, the .280 can be adapted to a variety of game, from varmints to large framed, heavily built medium game. The .280 Ackley Improved looks like a winner as a deer, pronghorn, elk and moose hunting cartridge. Estimated impact velocity was about 2,265 fps, which clearly caused the Berger to expand dramatically but didn't stress it into complete fragmentation. More and more production rifles are being chambered for 280 AI … Instead of .284″ bullets like the 7mm Mauser (and more recently developed cartridges like the 7mm-08, .280 Remington, .280 Ackley Improved, and 7mm Remington Magnum), the .270 Winchester used .277″ bullets which undoubtedly hampered adoption of the cartridge to a certain degree. However, it's doubtful that any astute hunter would challenge the moose-dropping effectiveness of a well-constructed 175-grain 7mm bullet launched at 2,800 fps, which produces close to 3,050 ft-lbs of muzzle energy. In performance, the.280 Ackley Improved typically adds 100 to 150 fps to standard.280 Rem. Again, I was fortunate to bring back a bull. Nonplussed, I turned back to the Berger load. From the start, the notion of a 7mm cartridge with the ballistics and long life of the 6.5 Creedmoor kept popping up like one of those trick birthday candles that won't stay blown out. Armed with the two handloads — the Berger for use in competition and on game up through small to medium elk and the Barnes for mature, heavy-boned, and densely muscled bull elk, moose, and bison — I'm well equipped for darn near anything. You can see how a bull moose reacted to my 7mm Rem. 175 Gr. Joined: May 23, 2006 Messages: 98 Location: NYC. Match, The Future Of Special Operations Small Arms. Elk don't typically react much to getting shot, but this one shuddered, staggered backward, and toppled in less time than it takes to tell. Not too hard, not too soft, not too fast, not too slow, but just right because it shoots mid-caliber .284-inch diameter bullets. The 280 Remington and the 284 Winchester will shoot bullets of 160 grains and heavier to nearly the same velocity and point of impact. However, in order to achieve the "long-range competition-capable" part of this project, a serious scope is necessary. 175 Gr. In performance, the .280 Ackley Improved typically adds 100 to 150 fps to standard .280 Rem. Without doubt, it's P.O. Knowing that I'd be using the rifle in various challenging environments from the desert Southwest to high alpine mountains, I decided to man up and carry the weight of steel. Although I'd like to take credit for creating a rifle type that satisfies the criteria outlined here, I can't. My opportunity to take a young bull elk came at about 6,000 feet on a balmy October morning — calibrated, almost, for the scope's turret. Big bore semiauto or a lever gun? Unlike the .30 calibers, which rarely use the heaviest 220-grain hunting bullets, the 175-grain 7mm bullets make a great choice for elk, moose and larger African antelope. The Winchester Model 52 is a fine, handbuilt smallbore match rifle that was once known as the... David Fortier talks with Jeff Hoffman of Black Hills Ammunition about the evolution of the .308 Win. Why not just use the outstanding, proven Creedmoor and be done with it? While not exactly a fire-breather, such a cartridge qualifies comfortably as moose-capable. Optically speaking, I was in business. Plus, while barrel life is good, usually somewhere between 2,000 and 3,000 rounds depending on how aggressively the shooter pushes his handloads, it's no .308 Winchester or 6.5 Creedmoor in terms of barrel life. I killed one of my elk this year with a 280 Remington and a 160gr bullet at a little passed 300 yards. A challenge to create one rifle that does everything took hold of me some time ago and tormented me during more than one sleepless night. Although expensive by typical match-barrel standards, the company's carbon-fiber wrapped barrels offer honest mountain-rifle weight combined with exceptional accuracy. I took the Berger bullet hunting. Although lightweight, the Proof Research carbonfiber-wrapped barrel maintains its accuracy and point of impact even over long shot strings and is just right for long-range cross-country competition. etc. Win mag with whatever shot well out of it (most recently was using 215 hybrids never got to try out on moose) and a Remington 700 bdl 7mm mag back up rifle. Yes, I realize that we're talking about a .280 rather than a .270, here, but to those of us who've seen the data and drained coffeepots over discussions on the comparison of the two, I'd have to say that it's splitting hairs to try to find much difference between the two calibers' respective downrange performances. The .275 H&H, introduced in 1912, was never especially popular, but is suspiciously similar to the Remington cartridge that followed a … Before opening day of Utah's spike bull elk season, Dallin and I checked our zeros, and just for fun, I took two shots at 1,100 yards. Although The High Road has attempted to provide accurate information on the forum, The High Road assumes no responsibility for the accuracy of the information. Now, aside from the AR-15 I keep handy for personal protection, the Summit is the rifle I reach for most. Paired with a mountain-weight barrel and carbon-fiber stock, the rifle should come in at between 5.75 and 6.5 pounds, depending on action length. Although Jack O'Connor allegedly defined a mountain rifle — with scope — to weigh around 7.5 pounds, he was dealing with a different breed of optic than we have today. Before this project, using just one rifle for every task had become a pretty obscure concept to me. With three versions, three barrel lengths, and three different finishes from which to choose,... Like situational ethics, standards of accuracy vary according to circumstances. The downside? It's safe to say this rifle will become a family heirloom. For readers unfamiliar with the cartridge, it is simply the .280 Remington that's had its shoulder angle and body taper "blown out" to increase internal capacity. mountain hunt: The 7mm Remington Express was simply the 280 Remington with a "fancy monicker"! The 30-284 wildcat used the same loading data as the 30-06. The latter enabled me to run updated ballistic calculations and dial in MOA should I end up shooting in atmospheric conditions vastly different from the 6,000 feet elevation and 50-degree temperature the turret was calculated at. Throat so I can load slugs such as the 175 RN Hornaday out to get max powder capacity and my intent is to use this for MOOSE! Impact velocity with the Berger was about 2,775 fps, and the fragmenting bullet destroyed a considerable amount of meat. Leupold's custom shop engraved a turret calibrated for the Berger load, marked in yards to 1,150 on the circumference and — to my specifications — with an MOA scale around the top edge. The 300. Then in 1986 I had a full custom Rifle built for myself in caliber 280 Remington. Hunting with match bullets — including Berger's hunting-branded VLD, which originally began life as a match bullet — is something I've always avoided. Best of all, it achieves this efficiently by burning considerably less powder and generating less recoil than the 7mm Rem. However, it was introduced in a different time, when the ascendancy of the bolt action wasn’t as clear as it is today. With all due respect to Jack O’Connor, his favored.270 load with a fast stepping and fast expanding 130 grain bullet is … Yes. Rem shoots unbelievably well with 140 hornady Amax pushed at 2847fps and the 140. Jenna had never fired the Summit rifle, so we pulled off on public land to allow her to get acquainted with it. Developed by P.O. 280 AI was standardized by Nosler in 2008 and, SAAMI approved, is now being sold as factory loaded ammunition. Discussion in 'Hunting' started by salthouse, Jun 19, 2006. I considered the 7mm-08, 7mm-08 Improved, .284 Winchester, 7mm SAUM, and various short-action wildcat cartridges that would allow me to keep weight to a minimum and still make the moose-terminating grade. The Winchester XPR Renegade Long Range SR is a unique, feature-packed addition to the XPR... Fed by a 14-round magazine in the buttstock, the Winchester Model 74 features a top-side... Give a Gift   As a plus, the carbon-fiber wrapping seems to dampen vibration, making for a very forgiving barrel. Both impacted inside the 6-inch black dot spray painted in the steel target's center. Both deflated and elated, I realized that all I had to do was pick the right cartridge and put a Summit to work. Aside from the cartridge (which I'll get to shortly), the last piece of the puzzle was an appropriate scope. Fired at 2,700 fps, a high-BC 7mm bullet of at least 160 grains would provide wind drift and drop similar to a 140-grain 6.5mm projectile fired from the Creedmoor, with added frontal diameter, mass, and energy. However, there's no arguing with the quick, clean kill. While possible, it's not ideal. An informal autopsy later revealed that the Berger scrambled both lungs and the arteries at the top of the heart before exiting the point of the offside shoulder. With the Vortex Extreme Challenge fast approaching, I loaded 10 test rounds with Berger's 168-grain VLD Hunting bullet, and voilà the rifle averaged 0.4 inch over a series of consecutive three-shot groups. In the 150gr. Ackley and Fred Huntington and known previously by a variety of names such as the “.280 Rem. The.280 is a 7mm, same diameter as the 7x57M, 7x 61 S&H, 7mm Weatherby, 7mm Rem. This category includes such cartridges as the .264 Winchester Magnum, .270 Winchester, the .270 Magnums, .280 Remington, the 7mm Magnums, .308 Winchester, .30-06 Springfield, .303 British and 8x57JS. Accurate? As a result, while they are very capable in their intended realm, they don't qualify for competitive shooting wherein extended-string accuracy and minimal point of impact shift are imperative. No. The .280 Remington is essentially the .30/06 necked down to 7mm with some slight dimensional differences, the most important of these that the shoulder is moved slightly forward so the .280 will not chamber in the .270. I like deep wound channels, not to mention the generous blood trails provided by exit holes. The Canadian .280 Ross, a true rimless magnum, introduced in 1907, made quite a splash, but lagged because pre-World War 1 softpoints weren’t up to its high velocity. To offer the consistent accuracy necessary to successfully compete in long-range disciplines, a premium, perfectly true action was called for. We ping steel with a .300 WinMag at over a mile. Base suggested retail is a shocking $6,300, but it's superbly built using a private-label Defiance action, Proof Research carbon-fiber-wrapped barrel, and proprietary superlight carbon-fiber stock, and it weighs between 6.0 and 6.8 pounds depending on caliber. You simply cannot produce a superb optic with zoom, extensive elevation adjustment, parallax adjustment, and top-shelf glass without incurring weight. Any point of impact shift is unacceptable. James Tarr runs through the 3-Second Headshot drill. Also, if you want to hunt something really big, like Alaska moose, you can use 175-grain bullets in the.280, while the top end for the.270 is 150 grains. For lighter bullets there will be about a 100 fps difference in velocity, and not much change in impact at normal hunting ranges. 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